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Hi! My name is Elisa Haggarty, I’m a Conscious Leadership Coach and the host of The School of Unlearning. Each episode will feature the most curious and successful people I know, what beliefs they carry with them today and the ones they struggle to unlearn. Come ready to reflect on your core learnings and rethink social constructs so that you shed the life that the world told you to live, and begin living the one meant for you. Welcome, to the School of Unlearning.
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Thursday Feb 20, 2025
EP 59: Wonder & Whole Body Yes with Joyce Chen
Thursday Feb 20, 2025
Thursday Feb 20, 2025
Today we welcome Conscious Leadership Coach, Joyce Chen of the Conscious Leadership Group to the podcast. We traverse the land of wonder, and how to access it and what blocks our capacity to step into wonder. We also explore the role of a whole body yes and a whole body no as it relates to identifying and going after our wants, needs and aliveness. Joyce is a force of insight, wisdom and she offers much of her own personal journey through the lens of Conscious Leadership. This episode is for any human and leader seeking more congruence, aliveness and confidence to build an exquisite life.
We cover:
- What a side by side, conscious coaching relationship feels like and why it's effective for both coach and client.
- The role of wonder in a coach/client dynamic
- How emotions unlock our capacity to step into wonder
- What a whole body yes is
- The role reactivity can play in preventing wonder or preventing us from accessing a whole body yes
- The power of a pause to explore wonder and emotions
- Joyce reviews the five core emotions via CLG and what questions we can ask to explore their inteligence
- How a whole body yes opens up a landscape of opportunity and choice
- Joyce encourages listeners to step into exploring what needs to change/shift from a whole body no to a whole body yes
- The journey Joyce took while at Meta in honing her interest and love for Conscious Leadership principles
- Joyce encourages people leaders and managers to really become aware of being in a whole body yes or no state, and the "reckoning inside of us" when we are out of alignment with our work
- The role of the socialized self in development and how it can hinder our knowing and desire in adulthood
- Our innate knowing and wisdom around what we want and how we can use sensations, pause and emotions to connect more deeply with ourselves
- Both Joyce and Elisa share their fears around life milestones and model stepping into wonder
References:
Gay and Katie Hendricks, The Hendricks Institute
Whole Body Yes via The Conscious Leadership Group
Peter Hawkins on side by side coaching approach
Please click here to follow and learn more about The Conscious Leadership Group. You can follow Joyce Chen on Instagram @joycechen_coaching and here on LinkedIn.
Elisa Haggarty is a Conscious Leadership Coach and host of The School of Unlearning podcast. She coaches leaders and teams to step into radical responsibility and strengthen relational connection.
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