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Hi! My name is Elisa Haggarty, I’m a Conscious Leadership Coach and the host of The School of Unlearning. Each episode will feature the most curious and successful people I know, what beliefs they carry with them today and the ones they struggle to unlearn. Come ready to reflect on your core learnings and rethink social constructs so that you shed the life that the world told you to live, and begin living the one meant for you. Welcome, to the School of Unlearning.
Episodes
Tuesday May 03, 2022
Tuesday May 03, 2022
Jordan’s Dann joins me for episode 29 on The School of Unlearning podcast. This episode is a deeply personal one, and Jordan leads the way by sharing how her childhood experiences have shaped the way she sees relationships and her work as a therapist. This is one of those feel good, wanna hug her through the screen and share with everyone I know podcasts - enjoy the conversation my friends.
In this episode we cover:
- How Jordan’s parents and early childhood influenced her view of relationships
- How moving houses so often helped influence Jordan’s resiliency and strength.
- Stumbling upon influential people and theater helped open up a sense of belonging and connection to the body
- The role of play in intimacy and connection
- How movement helped shape our sense of self and community
- How Jordan landed in therapy after years in music and theater.
- What somatic therapy and intelligence is and how to use it
- How presence and noticing influences the way Jordan works with patients and clients.
- How to embrace the sympathetic nervous system
- Why we need to annihilate our need for isolated self growth
- What 3 subjects Jordan would add to our school systems
- What Jordan is actively unlearning these days
Resources
If you liked this episode, check out the book Jordan references, “The Body Keeps the Score” by Bessel van der Kolk.
Jordan mentioned the poet, Marge Piercy, click here to read more.
About Jordan Dann
Jordan's work as a therapist is strongly informed by her clinical training in Gestalt therapy, Imago Relationship Therapy, and Somatic Experiencing. Jordan’s approach to working with clients is a strength-based-trauma-informed approach to support self-healing of the individual.
Jordan has a BFA (acting) an MFA (theater education) from Boston University and am a graduate of the Gestalt Associates for Psychotherapy. Jordan is a Nationally Certified and NYS Licensed Psychoanalyst in private practice. She works with individuals, couples, and conduct case supervision in New York City.
Jordan is an avid content creator and I highly encourage you go check out her Instagram account where she shares informative videos and stories that are buzzworth. She has also been featured in MindBodyGreen, NewsBreak, and Psychotherapy Networker.
To follow and work with Jordan, click here.
To learn more about Elisa and her work as a Conscious Leadership Coach, click here.
Follow The School of Unlearning on Instagram.
Tuesday Apr 26, 2022
Tuesday Apr 26, 2022
In this episode for The School of Unlearning, I sit down with the author, founder and CEO of Askinosie chocolate.
I first came across Askinosie chocolate via Shawn's book, “Meaningful Work”. I read this book and fell in love with his spiritual and thorough approach to finding a vocation and meaning in our personal lives. I immediately searched for the nearest store that sold Askinosie chocolate and bought a bar. I’ve been hooked ever since.
This episode is deeply personal, a conversation between two people navigating grief, joy, loss, meaning and yes, chocolate. Shawn urges us to look to what breaks our heart in order to find meaning in our lives and in our work.
In this episode you'll hear:
- What core learnings Shawn had to endure at age that shaped his worldview on religion and grief.
- How important the space to talk about grief is and what happens when we don't have that space.
- How joy and sorrow are inseparable and how they amplify each other.
- The influence of loss and ambiguous loss in daily life
- How sitting with and moving through grief can build emotional confidence
- The origin of Askinosie Chocolate and the values behind it.
- What relationship driven chocolate means to Shawn
- How storytelling makes chocolate taste better :)
- The importance of space and alone time in finding meaning in life and in work
- "Begin with your sorrow" to find purpose and meaning in work.
- Why healing isn't a singular or a linear experience
- What Shawn is actively unlearning in the present moment
"Maybe if we combine our sorrow? Maybe that's joy?" Ross Gay
Check out Shawn’s TED Talk here.
To enjoy direct trade chocolate made by Askinosie chocolate, click here.
About Elisa:
I am a Conscious Leadership Coach and host of The School of Unlearning Podcast. I coach leaders/executives and teams all over the world to shift their mindset. Together we move from serious to curious and from fear to love.
Wednesday Feb 02, 2022
Wednesday Feb 02, 2022
On episode 27 for The School of Unlearning, I sit down with professor and author, Luke Burgis. Luke recently wrote the book, "Wanting: The Power of Mimetic Desire in Everyday Life" and on this episode he helps unpack what mimetic desire is and how we can more intentionally identify and choose what we want in life. Luke helps us more consciously examine why we want what we want and nudges us through his tactics in the book, to remember what it means to be human.
In this episode you will learn:
- How a few core learnings influenced the way Luke grew up
- How Luke came across the work of French Theorist, Rene Girard on mimetic desire
- What mimetic desire is: comes from the Greek work, "to imitate"
- Why our desire to mimic is innate in all humans and why it's not something we want to get rid of, but rather, intentionally embrace
- Why it’s important to question what we desire
- Why the drive to become a business "unicorn" is skewing our vision of success
- What role fear and threat play with mimetic desire
- How social media highlights and fuels mimetic desire
- What role compassion plays in mimetic desire
- How emotions like anger can spread the fastest on social media because, "the lack of strong bonds between people, allows anger to spread faster"
- How we can view social media as one step in the direction towards connection vs the entire medium to fix complex issues
- How embracing silence is "spiritual distance" and why this is a key tactic in Luke's book, "Wanting"
- How Luke defines unlearning and what he is actively unlearning in the business world
About Luke:
Luke Burgis has co-created and led four companies in wellness, consumer products, and technology. He’s currently Entrepreneur-in-Residence and Director of Programs at the Ciocca Center for Principled Entrepreneurship where he also teaches business at The Catholic University of America. Luke has helped form and serves on the board of several new K-12 education initiatives and writes and speaks regularly about the education of desire. He studied business at NYU Stern and philosophy and theology at a pontifical university in Rome. He’s Managing Partner of Fourth Wall Ventures, an incubator that he started to build, train, and invest in people and companies that contribute to a healthy human ecology. He lives in Washington, DC with his wife, Claire, and her crazy New Orleans cat Clotille.
About Elisa:
I am a Conscious Leadership Coach and host of The School of Unlearning Podcast. I coach leaders/executives and teams all over the world to shift their mindset. Together we move from serious to curious and from fear to love.
Forget what you learned, work is a medium for connection, play and yes, love. Click here to work with me.
Become a patron here: https://www.patreon.com/thesoulpodcast/membership
Wednesday Jan 12, 2022
Wednesday Jan 12, 2022
On episode 26 for The School of Unlearning podcast, I sit down with Dr. Andrew Hill. Dr. Hill founded Peak Brain Institute which offers neurofeedback, a form of brain training that helps treat depression, anxiety, ADHD and many forms of brain trauma. We cover Dr. Hill's journey into neurofeedback and his take on how we can show up for our brain function through nutrition, brain training and more.
Dr. Hill is one of the top peak performance coaches in the country. He holds a Ph.D. in Cognitive Neuroscience from UCLA’s Department of Psychology and continues to do research on attention and cognition. Research methodology includes EEG, QEEG, and ERP. He has been practicing neurofeedback since 2003.
In addition to founding Peak Brain Institute, Dr. Hill is the host of the Head First Podcast with Dr. Hill and lectures at UCLA, teaching courses in psychology, neuroscience, and gerontology.
All listeners of my podcast get 50% off their brain mapping with Peak Brain, go check them out in LA, NYC and St. Louis…and if you aren’t in those spaces, no worries, Peak Brain now offers virtual support with the same high touch care.
In this episode, you will learn:
- The pivotal moment that turned Dr. Hill onto the power of the brain’s capacity to heal
- How his work in gerontology and many forms of psychiatric care have influenced the way he approaches neurofeedback and patient care
- What neurofeedback is and who benefits most from it
- How to think about making small changes that influence disease
- How anxiety is a normal brain circuit and how to rethink the way we frame mental health
- The role sugar plays in chronic health conditions
- Why western medicine hasn’t helped spread the word on the benefits of neurofeedback but why Dr. Hill is still motivated and hopeful for more people to get this life changing training
About Elisa:
I am a Conscious Leadership Coach and host of The School of Unlearning Podcast. I coach leaders/executives and teams all over the world to shift their mindset. Together we move from serious to curious and from fear to love.
Forget what you learned, work is a medium for connection, play and yes, love. Click here to work with me.
Become a patron here: https://www.patreon.com/thesoulpodcast/membership
Wednesday Jan 05, 2022
Wednesday Jan 05, 2022
On episode 25 for The School of Unlearning podcast, we are joined by author and entrepreneur, Terri Trespicio. Terri's new book, "Unfollow Your Passion" is a provocative inquiry into some of life's common assumptions. This podcast is filled with moments of unlearning about relationships, how we blindly inherent narratives that don't serve us and Terri argues that our best growth comes within our comfort zone, not outside of it.
On this podcast you will learn:
- Who has influenced Terri while she was growing up
- How comedy has shaped Terri's voice
- Why Terri maintains she is at her best when she allows for space in failure and growth
- Disappointing someone isn't the end of the world, seeking to always please is.
- Why our innate drive for connection leads us to accept things that don't serve us.
- Why its essential to decide who you will listen to and who you won't.
- Terri's relationship with saying, "no", and why saying "no" doesn't always needs to come with an explanation.
- How women have been influenced to always feel they need to be in a relationship, and why it's unfair to feel "less than" if you are single.
- What a "full body yes" feels like
- Why getting to a "yes" requires a lot of "no's".
- Why saying "yes" when you don't need it, it's a recipe for drama.
- Why drama is expensive in relationships and on teams.
- Why "discomfort isn't a guarantee for growth, its a condition."
- Real growth does not come outside of our comfort zone, despite what struggle/hustle culture tells us.
- Terri urges us to expand our comfort zone so that we can live and work inside it.
- Passion is an experience, not a state, it's not a talent and we need to stop seeking it all the time.
- Why our needy pursuit of passion is ironically draining us and largely, diverting us from the joy of living.
- Terri on unlearning: "When you unlearn, its not a forgetting, its purposeful, learning is the acquisition of knowledge and application in the world, unlearning is amending, its what editing is to writing. Unlearning is the next step of knowledge."
Quotes from Terri:
“As soon as you start to monetize something in order to legitimize it, you’ve lost it.”
"Passion is when energy is moving through you, where can you allow that to happen?
“The minute you get fixed and rigid about finding passion in one thing, you’ve killed your own vibe.”
"Pay attention to where industry or the need to do a thing comes in. Beware of trying to sell or market every last ounce of passion you have.
To learn more about Terri Trespicio, click here.
About Elisa:
I am a Conscious Leadership Coach and host of The School of Unlearning Podcast. I coach leaders/executives and teams all over the world to shift their mindset. Together we move from serious to curious and from fear to love.
Forget what you learned, work is a medium for connection, play and yes, love. Click here to work with me.
Become a patron here: https://www.patreon.com/thesoulpodcast/membership
Tuesday Nov 23, 2021
Tuesday Nov 23, 2021
We all know that the rise of technology isn't going anywhere. We also know that there is a spike in mental health concerns worldwide and in this provocative interview, former Google executive and author, Mo Gawdat shares his view on how we can shape the future of technology and AI by simply being better, kinder humans.
In this podcast, you will learn:
- How Mo's younger years growing up in in the Middle East influenced his worldview on religion, gender and problem solving.
- Mo's love for science and math growing up and how this helped shape his confidence and capacity to do meaningful work.
- What motivated Mo to bring happiness to millions of people
- How science and spirituality merge and compliment each other
- How resisting life never equates to peace and happiness
- The influence of Dr. Jill Bolte Taylor on Mo's worldview and growth
- How the left and right hemispheres work together in synergy
- Why computers and technology are already smarter than humans
- The 3 tenets that make humans human featured in "Scary Smart"
- How a moment of alive connection with a stranger is intimate and full of life.
- What role neuroplasticity plays in our capacity to influence technology and how it shapes us
- What Mo is unlearning and how he thinks of it as a "coming home"
Follow Mo on Instagram at @mogawdat and his podcast on Apple, "Slo Mo".
About Elisa:
I am a Conscious Leadership Coach and host of The School of Unlearning Podcast. I coach leaders/executives and teams all over the world to shift their mindset. Together we move from serious to curious and from fear to love.
Forget what you learned, work is a medium for connection, play and yes, love. Click here to work with me.
Become a Patron! This podcast is and always will be a labor of love and community. Thank you for contributing to keep The School of Unlearning ad free. Our learning and unlearning never ends, so let's do this together.
Become a patron here: https://www.patreon.com/thesoulpodcast/membership
Friday Nov 12, 2021
Friday Nov 12, 2021
Bringing your whole self to work was brought onto the scene by author and thought leader, Brene Brown. Bringing your whole self to work has taken on many meanings, and each year, the layers to this concept keep deepening and expanding. In this podcast episode, I expand on what bringing your whole self to work means and also take it one step further. Bringing your whole self to work goes beyond sharing your hobbies, pronouns or personal interests, it means connecting the dots on your core influences growing up and how that has shaped your leadership style.
In this podcast you’ll learn:
- What bringing your whole self to work means
- How Brene Brown defines vulnerability
- How the pandemic shifted the way we view work and personal life
- What Google’s 5 year study, “Project Aristotle” found as the #1 ingredient their most successful teams have
- How I think about bringing your whole self to work
- How early moments of trauma and drama can influence the way we lead and show up in work
About Elisa:
I am a Conscious Leadership Coach and host of The School of Unlearning Podcast. I coach leaders/executives and teams all over the world to shift their mindset. Together we move from serious to curious and from fear to love.
Forget what you learned, work is a medium for connection, play and yes, love. Click here to work with me.
Become a Patron! This podcast is and always will be a labor of love and community. Thank you for contributing to keep The School of Unlearning ad free. Our learning and unlearning never ends, so let's do this together.
Become a patron here: https://www.patreon.com/thesoulpodcast/membership
Thursday Nov 04, 2021
Thursday Nov 04, 2021
For episode 22, I sit down with my friend and Somatic Experiencing Practitioner and author, Kimberly Ann Johnson to discuss childhood trauma, the nervous system and creating a world of coherence. This episode is deeply personal and essential for any person and any women seeking a vocabulary on how to better regulate their nervous system.
In this episode, you will learn:
- How early childhood events and trauma helped shape Kimberly’s life and nervous system
- How Kimberly sought refuge and confidence in academics growing up
- What Kimberly’s super power was growing up and what she believes it is now
- What learning/truth that still stays with Kimberly: “it is the tool or is it the person”
- What the process of writing “Call of the Wild” was for Kimberly
- All about “Call of the Wild” and how its a call for women to move from prey to predator
- What the nervous system is and what flight, fight, freeze and fawn are
- How a sympathetic response is helpful at times
- The ventral vagal nervous system and how it responses to safety and threat
- How pleasure and productivity aren’t at odds with each other
- Why we have been socialized to to avoid or weaponize pleasure
- Why developing preferences on what we like and don’t like plays a role in our healing process.
- How our puritanical inheritance of “put your head down and do it” isn’t service our capacity to enjoy pleasure
- How the nervous system occilates and pendulates
- What "clean pain" vs "dirty pain" is and how to apply them in life
- What it means to have a reparative experience and how this helps us move on from trauma
- What kimberley is actively unlearning
- How forming a relationship with our elders can help us with our learning and unlearning
About Kimberly Johnson
Kimberly Johnson is a Somatic Experiencing Practitioner, birth doula, and postpartum educator who specializes in helping women recover from all from of trauma. In her book, “Call of the Wild”, Johnson offers an eye-opening look at the epidemic of “mind over matter” and a deep dive into how the nervous system responds to difficult events.
Follow her at @kimberly.ann.johnson and her work at www.kimberlyannjohnson.com
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To learn more about Elisa and The School of Unlearning podcast, click here.
About Elisa Haggarty:
Elisa Haggarty is a Conscious Leadership Coach and host of The School of Unlearning Podcast. To learn more about her and her work, click here.
Become a Patron! This podcast is and always will be a labor of love and community. I will not be using ads for my podcast to keep our conversations and time together focused and intentional. Thank you for contributing to keep The School of Unlearning ad free. Our learning and unlearning never ends, so let's do this together.
Become a patron here: https://www.patreon.com/thesoulpodcast/membership
Friday Oct 29, 2021
Friday Oct 29, 2021
On today’s 5 Minute Friday podcast, I dive into the world of boundaries. What they are, why we struggle to create them and how to start embracing the power of no, for your sake and for those around you.
On this podcast you will learn:
- What boundaries are
- Why babies and animals are expert at setting boundaries
- What Brene Brown thinks of people pleasers
- Why it’s helpful for you and others to create boundaries
- Why role generosity plays in setting and creating boundaries
- My top tips and insights on setting boundaries
- My favorite quote from Kelly Corrigan on the power of saying, “no”
"Sexually, professionally, personally, saying no takes balls. Little noes prepare us for the big noes that define the major movements of our lives. The job we shouldn't take, the relationship we must leave, the deal that seems shady. No, finally, to another drink, no to abuse, no to getting back together again. No to extreme lifesaving measures.
When we were children, no came easily to the lips. Wear a coat? Turning off the TV? Leaving your sister alone? No chance. But then we became civilized. We aged into self consciousness. Saying no started to feel rude or insubordinate, mean or lazy, withholding or dangerous. There's hardly a positive intention associated with no. Except self-preservation."
Kelly Corrigan
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To learn more about Elisa and The School of Unlearning podcast, click here.
About Elisa Haggarty:
Elisa Haggarty is a Conscious Leadership Coach and host of The School of Unlearning Podcast. Elisa has been a coach for over 18 years- from college basketball to nutrition to more recently helping leaders bring more consciousness and play into their personal and work lives. Her work is influenced by a philosophy and belief that, "life happens for you" which has been a through line for Elisa her entire life. Believing life happens for you begs the question, "how can I learn and grow from whatever is happening?". She has sought to find and create meaning from every chapter of her life and empowers her clients and teams to do the same. From her first heartbreak, first job loss, divorce and enduring the grief that comes with slowly losing her Dad to a rare form of Dementia, Elisa's rich life experience and humble curiosity is what allows others to connect with her, and ultimately themselves in a deeper way. She finds joy in making her friends homemade chocolate and can most often be found hiking or spending time in nature and has two adorable cats, Josie and Lou.
Become a Patron! This podcast is and always will be a labor of love and community. I will not be using ads for my podcast to keep our conversations and time together focused and intentional. Thank you for contributing to keep The School of Unlearning ad free. Our learning and unlearning never ends, so let's do this together.
Become a patron here: https://www.patreon.com/thesoulpodcast/membership
Wednesday Oct 27, 2021
Wednesday Oct 27, 2021
In today’s episode, we sit down with Lara Adler, an Environmental Toxins Expert and Certified Holistic Health Coach to discuss her journey of unlearning.
Lara is a wealth of knowledge and in this podcast interview, we take a personal look into what and who has helped shape Lara’s work ethic, view on building a business and the role that environmental toxins play in human health, politics and the environment.
More about Lara Adler:
To follow Lara, click here.
To follow Lara on Instagram, check out @environmentaltoxinsnerd
On this episode, you will learn:
- How a few select childhood experiences shaped Lara’s view on business
- The influence of international travel on Lara as a young child
- How your friends and family are not necessarily your audience when it comes to your business
- The pivotal moments that influenced Lara to turn her attention to the nutrition and health world
- Why Lara decided to focus in on environmental toxins as a health coach
- What role environmental chemicals, obesogens impact weight loss resistance
- Why Lara shaped her mission on educating the people so they demand chance on an industry level
- How Lara’s scrappy spirit was developed and how it influenced her ability to create and run a successful business.
- The difference between being trauma motivated and empathy motivated and how they may show up in business
- How the “mechanics” or how of Lara’s work is rooted in trauma that continues to motivate her
- How grief and loss in relationships have shaped Lara’s health and eventually, her growth
- The role mold played in Lara’s health
- Lara’s evolution on perfectionism in the health and toxicity space
- The importance of nuance in communicating science
- What the Dunning Kruger effect is
- Why communication and context reigns supreme when educating or guiding people
- “The best way out is through” - relating to grief or educating a tough work situation, is to be willing to move through it.
- What Lara is actively unlearning
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Elisa Haggarty is a Conscious Leadership Coach and host of The School of Unlearning Podcast. Elisa has been a coach for over 18 years- from college basketball to nutrition to more recently helping leaders bring more consciousness and play into their personal and work lives. Her work is influenced by a philosophy and belief that, "life happens for you" which has been a through line for Elisa her entire life. Believing life happens for you begs the question, "how can I learn and grow from whatever is happening?". She has sought to find and create meaning from every chapter of her life and empowers her clients and teams to do the same. From her first heartbreak, first job loss, divorce and enduring the grief that comes with slowly losing her Dad to a rare form of Dementia, Elisa's rich life experience and humble curiosity is what allows others to connect with her, and ultimately themselves in a deeper way. She finds joy in making her friends homemade chocolate and can most often be found hiking or spending time in nature and has two adorable cats, Josie and Lou.
Become a Patron! This podcast is and always will be a labor of love and community. I will not be using ads for my podcast to keep our conversations and time together focused and intentional. Thank you for contributing to keep The School of Unlearning ad free. Our learning and unlearning never ends, so let's do this together.
Become a patron here!