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Hi! My name is Elisa Haggarty, I’m a Conscious Leadership Coach and the host of The School of Unlearning. Each episode will feature the most curious and successful people I know, what beliefs they carry with them today and the ones they struggle to unlearn. Come ready to reflect on your core learnings and rethink social constructs so that you shed the life that the world told you to live, and begin living the one meant for you. Welcome, to the School of Unlearning.
Episodes

Thursday Apr 06, 2023
EP 43: The Power of Emotions with Kelsey Fox Bennett Boyd
Thursday Apr 06, 2023
Thursday Apr 06, 2023
If you’ve ever been told you are too sensitive or struggle to work with highly sensitive people - this podcast is for you. Kelsey and I explore the wisdom of our emotions and how we can work with them vs react blindly to them. Kelsey Fox Bennett Boyd is an Educator, Brain Gym Consultant and Author. Kelsey has been working with kids and adults, with a specialization in supporting the highly sensitive, for over a decade. In this podcast episode we introduce concepts like emotional regulation, bi-lateral stimulation and help make a case for highly sensitive people. Kelsey has written a book called, Arya & Everyone Else’s Feelings, which celebrates sensitivity and empowers readers to release the weight of other people’s feelings and feel safe and protected as they support those they care about most. Information on the kickstarter to support this invaluable book is below!
On this episode we cover:
- Kelseys childhood and how it shaped her inner world
- What being a brain gym consultant is and why we all need one
- Kelseys health and life challenges early on that led her to embrace the mind/body connection
- What it means to be highly sensitive and how to work with it
- The power and meaning of emotions
- How to create new neural pathways
- What emotional regulation is
- What Kelsey is unlearning
Links mentioned on the podcast:
Kelseys website: https://kelseyfoxbennettboyd.com/
Kickstarter for “Arya & Everyone Else’s Feelings”: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kfbb/arya-and-everyone-elses-feelings
Elisa Haggarty is a Conscious Leadership Coach and Organizational Consultant, click here to learn more about her work. Follow The School of Unlearning on Instagram @thesoulpodcast.

Friday Mar 17, 2023
EP 42: On Art and Community with Catherine Haggarty
Friday Mar 17, 2023
Friday Mar 17, 2023
On episode 42 for The School of Unlearning I welcome with my twin sister, Catherine Haggarty. Catherine is a Brooklyn based artist, teacher, curator and co-founder of the NYC Crit Club. Catherine walks us through her days in childhood where she learned to make things from what she found and by embracing her imagination. We reminisce on our early memories together and the influence that our Mom and Dad had on us as found solace in art and in sports. It's a sweet episode that gets fiery at times as we discuss and challenge the narratives around art, education and entrepreneurship.
This episode is dedicated to our late father, Jim Haggarty who lead with love and curiosity throughout our entire lives and to our Mom, who showed us what perseverance and enduring love looks like.
We cover:
- Catherine's early influences growing up
- How Mom and Dad shaped and nudged each of us
- How language and words can shape and influence a young child
- Unlearning how we box ourselves into identities too quickly and too soon in life
- Why we should ditch the pursuit of "being good at things"
- How Catherine found her voice in college and decided to pursue art school abroad in Rome, Italy.
- The benefits for Catherine in not necessarily having a lot of models in the art world early on.
- Why making art will always be #1 for Catherine
- What Catherine is actively unlearning these days
To learn more about Catherine's work, visit her site at www.catherinehaggarty.com
Referenced during the podcast:
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Elisa is a Conscious Leadership Coach who works with leaders and professional athletes to empower them with the self-awareness and power skills to navigate change and break repeated drama patterns.
Follow Elisa at @elisamaryhaggarty and visit her visit at www.elisamaryhaggarty.com

Thursday Feb 23, 2023
EP 41: Good For A Girl with Lauren Fleshman
Thursday Feb 23, 2023
Thursday Feb 23, 2023
Lauren Fleshman joins us today and it’s rich and warm conversation that carries an enduring message of hope for the future of sports. Lauren has coined the phrase, “the performance wave” which helps young women going through their menstrual cycle and normal hormonal changes to understand and even embrace the ebbs and flows of their performance. Lauren encourages her readers through her book to understand that if they stay the course and listen to their bodies needs, the best is yet to come. Lauren Fleshman shares what she Is actively unlearning and highlights her first book, which is a NY Times best seller, “Good for A Girl: A Woman running in a Man’s World.”
Show notes:
- How Lauren’s childhood in LA influenced her life
- The most influential people in Lauren’s life and how they shaped her sense of self
- What finding your “race weight” meant for young athletes and how the “diet culture” shaped hormone health, mental health and performance
- What pisses Lauren off about the sports culture and women’s health
- Lauren presents the notion of “the performance wave” as it relates to younger women going through natural processes such as menstruation
- Why reclaiming your body and running for one’s self is so important to Lauren
- How the “athlete mindset” can both help and hider people post career as they find ways
- The role that capitalism plays in repressing feelings
- Lauren’s advice to women
- How Lauren defines unlearning
Mentioned on the podcast:
Kate Fagans episode 18
Books by Kara Goucher and Alison Diser’s book, “Running while Black.”
Elisa is a Conscious Leadership Coach and Organizational Consultant, click here to learn more about her work. Follow The School of Unlearning on Instagram @thesoulpodcast.

Tuesday Jan 31, 2023
EP 40: Finding the Shift with Disembodied Eating with Michelle Cleary, LSCW, SEP
Tuesday Jan 31, 2023
Tuesday Jan 31, 2023
Episode 40 on The School of Unlearning podcast features Michelle Cleary who is a licensed psychotherapist. Michelle brings a radical and essential framework to the world called, “The Shift”. Michelle has battled what she calls “disembodied eating” for much of her life and shares how we can all begin to rethink and reframe what society has called “disordered eating”. Her approach in “The Shift” is to teach practices and tools that empower people to come back to their bodies, to inquire and make friends with their habits and build a new relationship to themselves.
We cover:
- Michelle’s path in facing adverse childhood trauma and how she experienced disembodied eating
- How we have a culture of “departure” from the present moment and how that impacts our nervous systems and habits.
- What disembodied is vs disordered eating
- What role the nervous system plays in disembodied eating
- How important co-regulation is in health and specifically in breaking patterns that cause harm.
- Michelle’s radical approach to helping people embrace a new way of thinking and embracing their eating habits. It all begins with a return to the self, the body - a coming home of sorts that allows each person to stand firmly in their power.
References:
“Good for a Girl” by Lauren Freshman
Peter Levine and his research in Trauma
For more on Michelle and her "Find the Shift" program, click here: www.findtheshift.com
Elisa is a Conscious Leadership Coach and Organizational Consultant, click here to learn more about her work. Follow The School of Unlearning on Instagram @thesoulpodcast.

Tuesday Jan 24, 2023
EP 39: Caring Leadership with Heather Younger
Tuesday Jan 24, 2023
Tuesday Jan 24, 2023
This episode is a personal deep dive into Heather Younger’s rich and dynamic life experience and how she helps leaders and companies embrace tactics and skills to improve the employee experience. Heather leads with authenticity and staying attuned to the needs of her client and her audience. Heather is a force of good in the corporate world and brings her life and professional experience to The School of Unlearning.
We cover:
- Heather’s core influences growing up and how they shaped her
- Why Heather feels so strongly in fostering belonging and inclusion
- How connection is the foundation for all speaking events and corporate success
- Heather’s shift from law to corporate people development
- How Heather views leadership and employee experience in the corporate world
- How Heather walks the walk - leading with presence
- What role paying attention and noticing has to do with relationships
- Heather’s advice on professionals looking to sharpen awareness
- What Heather believes self-leadership is and how she embraces this concept
- The power of specificity in human communication and feedback
- Why listening as a skill is the foundation for everything
For more on Heather, visit https://heatheryounger.com/books/
Elisa is a Conscious Leadership Coach and Organizational Consultant, click here to learn more about her work. Follow The School of Unlearning on Instagram @thesoulpodcast.

Tuesday Jan 03, 2023
EP 38: Begin With The End with Marni Blank
Tuesday Jan 03, 2023
Tuesday Jan 03, 2023
In this episode with Marni Blank, we explore building community, grief and how planning for the end of life can be empowering for individuals and families. Marni brings immense life and business experience to the podcast and openly shares her career pivots and how she actively works to define success and alignment on her terms. Marni is a certified Death Doula and sheds light on her 7 step process that helps us create a holistic end of life planning.
Follow Marni on Instagram @beginwith_theend and at www.marniblank.com
You will learn:
- The early influences in Marni's life that led her into the realm of entrepreneurship
- Marni's previous work in law and how this influenced her decision to begin begin a creative and entrepreneur
- What a Death Doula is and how Marni sees her work as helpful for individuals and families
- How Marni had to unlearn what success was and find a definition that aligned for her
- The business that Marni started with her sister, Willa in NYC to help build community and what she has learned about running a business with family.
- Marni helps us understand why we would want to begin thinking about end of life planning and what her 7 step process is to help people get their policies and logistics in order.
- We also discuss how planning for end of life can be scary but it is also generous in nature. Grief gets by passed for many when they are in the weeds of logistics and paperwork and all of us can make space for grief.
- Marni helps us understand the blocks that get in our way of end of life planning and different ways we can think about it.
- "How do you want to be remembered? What does legacy mean to you?"
- Marni shares her thoughts on how can mange and process grief
References: "The Wild Edge of Sorrow" by Francis Weller
Elisa is a Conscious Leadership Coach and Organizational Consultant, click here to learn more about her work. Follow The School of Unlearning on Instagram @thesoulpodcast.

Tuesday Nov 29, 2022
EP 37: Developing a Flexible Mindset in Health with Sara McGlothlin
Tuesday Nov 29, 2022
Tuesday Nov 29, 2022

Monday Nov 21, 2022
EP 36: Living on Purpose with Amy Wong
Monday Nov 21, 2022
Monday Nov 21, 2022
This episode is for anyone who is feeling a sense of unrest or dissatisfaction with their life and who wants to find more joy and meaning. Amy helps us break down why we desire what we desire, what actually drives us to pursue our goals and what key questions we can ask along the way to make sure we are living on purpose. A favorite part about our today was the nuance that Amy’s work brings to self help and self development. That our greatest learnings and times of growth come when we contract and rumble with hard things - and how we can use that data to better direct our next steps. Amy helps us understand why “should” is a word that potentially carries a lot of heavy energy, riddled with guilt and tension. This episode is HIGH energy, riddled with insights and really really human.
In this episode, you will learn:
- Amy's early influences that inspired her into the realm of consciousness and spirituality
- How Amy defines "living on purpose"
- The pivotal moments that helped Amy move towards being a spiritual being having a human experience
- How the constant need to control our conditions leads to "efforting" which can be draining and lead to burnout
- How to reframe goals, that milestones can be helpful but the feeling of what we believe we want is always most important
- Amy encourages us to "think as far as it feels good" and then come back to the moment.
- What it means to embrace Amy's mantra of "feel it out, don't figure it out!"
- Amy recommends us to "map our desired feeling state"
- Amy encourages to strengthen our body/mind awareness - even the states of constriction as it provides great data for what we want and don't want.
- "Accept it all" The more we can learn into contraction, the more we can sit with it and also use this state to learn and grow.
- What Amy feels is one of the worst/most dramatic words is!
- Inner critic? Learn how to make friends with the constant force of opposition with Amy's approach.
- How Amy defines unlearning :)
Elisa is a Conscious Leadership Coach and Organizational Consultant, click here to learn more about her work. Follow The School of Unlearning on Instagram @thesoulpodcast.

Tuesday Aug 09, 2022
Tuesday Aug 09, 2022
The need for corporate leaders to up level their mindset and approach to work is more relevant and needed than ever. For episode 35 on The School of Unlearning, I sit down with Integrative Leadership Coach, Erica Zygelman. Erica has a holistic approach that challenges all leaders to come more fully into alignment, check their integrity and lead from the heart. This episode is a great resource for anyone looking to debunk leadership myths, lean into their growth edge and feel empowered to own how they show up at work more fully.
In this episode, you will learn:
- What having a brand at work means
- Why first time managers and senior leaders need to know their “why” so they can lead more consciously
- What key influences helped shape Erica’s life and career
- What first Erica up about the corporate world
- The power of agency in one’s career growth
- What key assumptions leaders make that make their work more stressful
- What being an integrative leader means
- What advice erica has for first time leaders and leaders wanting to wake up to their potential
Erica’s bio
As an Integrative Leadership Coach, Erica is committed to supporting the next generation of leaders to achieve sustainable success by integrating principles of conscious leadership and holistic wellness. Through this method, she works to equip professionals with tools that shift the paradigm of success from what it looks like on the outside, to how it feels on the inside.
Erica has a 15-year track record of leading high-performing corporate managers and teams to build flourishing relationships, scale revenue, and deliver excellent outcomes for world-class organizations. She is passionate about functional medicine, personal development, yoga & mindfulness, and is inspired by international travel, live music, and nature. After a decade and a half in New York City, she currently enjoys exploring her new hometown of sunny San Diego.
Erica can be reached at www.ericazygelman.com and follow her on Instagram @ericazygleman
To learn more about Elisa Haggarty, visit www.elisamaryhaggarty.com and follow The School of Unlearning @thesoulpodcsat on Instagram.

Thursday Jul 21, 2022
EP 34: Linda Babcock On Empowering Women To Embrace The Power of No In The Workplace
Thursday Jul 21, 2022
Thursday Jul 21, 2022
Today I sit down with behavioral economist, professor and author, Linda Babcock to discuss the power of saying no for women at work.
This podcast interview is for any woman in the workplace who feels stretched thin, frustrated by a lack of advancement in their career and afraid to say no. If you are an organizational leader, this podcast will help you understand how to strategically use your greatest resource by shifting how you allocate and reward non-promotical tasks.
We discuss what an NPT or non-promotable task is, and why women are 50% more likely to volunteer for work that doesn’t advance their career. Linda and her co-authors propose tactical and strategic ways we can empower women in all positions to advocate for their needs by doing an inventory of how they spend their time, understanding the currency their company thrives on and embracing strategies to make sure they spend their time doing work that aligns with their skills and also helps advance their role in the workplace.
Linda’s work is focused on understanding barriers to women’s advancement in the workplace and developing evidence-based interventions to promote a level playing field. She is the founder and director of the Program for Research and Outreach on Gender Equity in Society (PROGRESS), which pursues positive social change for women and girls through education, partnerships, and research.
Linda is the James M. Walton Professor in Economics at Carnegie Mellon University and the author of Ask for It: How Women Can Use the Power of Negotiation to Get What They Really Want and Women Don’t Ask: Negotiation and the Gender Divide.
“The No Club: Putting a Stop to Women’s Dead End Work” is available on Amazon, Barnes and Noble and wherever books are sold. To learn more, visit https://www.thenoclub.com
In this episode, you will learn:
- What impacts the bottom line is business is how we spend out time
- Why companies would benefit from developing their people and the core soft skills
- What a non-promotable task (NPT) is and how it drains a woman’s capacity to advance her career
- Helpful tactics to understand how to say no, or even say “yes, and…”
- The power of the pause before making decisions
- How not staying in our zone of genius or even competencies is an energy drain for the employee and the organization
- 70% of companies believe that DEI initiatives are critical to business success but only 24% of companies formally recognized DEI initiatives as promotable
- How female leaders can become more aware and strategic about how they handle personal decisions
- How leaders can begin to pay attention to what a “Yes” feels like and how that is the foundation for being more responsible with human resources and time.
- How understanding non-promotable tasks and doing an inventory of how we spend out time is very visible and further supports our capacity to direct career advancement.
- How real change happens when organizations shift how they allocate and reward work
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Elisa Haggarty is a Conscious Leadership Coach and host of The School of Unlearning Podcast. She coach leaders/executives and teams all over the world to shift their mindset so they can build high performing teams, visit www.elisamaryhaggarty.com